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		<title>By: bewildered</title>
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		<dc:creator>bewildered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about someone who works hard but is not good looking and rich??? Is their PR career doomed before it even starts??? </description>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can appreciate that journo&#039;s are underpaid and under-resourced  relative to PR workers. 

But I&#039;ve never heard an explanation as to why the PR industry has got so big in the first place.

As a journalism graduate with relatively right wing political views, I think journalists themselves maybe party to blame.

Since modern journalism graduates tend to be left-wing, always looking out for the underdog types, businesses perceive them to be anti-business, and in an age where branding and image are such a big part of their profits, they are inevitably going to greater lengths to protect themselves from what they believe to be adverse publicity.

Admittedly I have no evidence for my theory, but I do know that US businesses give more donations to left wing causes (eg environmental groups) than right wing ones (eg, pro-business think tanks), so it&#039;s clear who they fear the most.</description>
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<p>But I&#039;ve never heard an explanation as to why the PR industry has got so big in the first place.</p>
<p>As a journalism graduate with relatively right wing political views, I think journalists themselves maybe party to blame.</p>
<p>Since modern journalism graduates tend to be left-wing, always looking out for the underdog types, businesses perceive them to be anti-business, and in an age where branding and image are such a big part of their profits, they are inevitably going to greater lengths to protect themselves from what they believe to be adverse publicity.</p>
<p>Admittedly I have no evidence for my theory, but I do know that US businesses give more donations to left wing causes (eg environmental groups) than right wing ones (eg, pro-business think tanks), so it&#039;s clear who they fear the most.<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: syms covington</title>
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		<dc:creator>syms covington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. The only amendment I would make is that every once in a while those &quot;hot chicks&quot; go above and beyond the call of duty to make a journo feel loved - at least in my once-off experience. They didn&#039;t get a story out of me though, but I got a hell of a story...</description>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 05:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I changed career out of journalism, and thus had the opportunity to see whether PR friendships were genuine or utilitarian. I found they were mostly utilitarian. Once I was no longer useful to PRs, they generally stopped talking to me.

Certainly, they no longer found my conversation scintillating enough to flatter me or invite me to lunch.

This is fair enough, but I wish they had been direct about it.

Also, in my new roles I saw an alarming side of PR. For example, one firm tricked journalists by having a pretend freelancer ask a particular question at a press conference. The executives had been briefed as to how they should respond, and their fake concern convinced the journalists they had a hot story. Instead it was just a clever marketing operation.

There was also a case where a PR firm successfully undermined a journalist whose coverage of their client was a bit too accurate. They didn&#039;t complain to his editor. They just arranged for the client MD to casually bump into the editor and publisher at a function, and casually mention some false allegations that reflected badly on the journalist. 

That affected the editor&#039;s trust in the journalist, and led to him leaving the publication a few months afterwards. Mission accomplished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->I changed career out of journalism, and thus had the opportunity to see whether PR friendships were genuine or utilitarian. I found they were mostly utilitarian. Once I was no longer useful to PRs, they generally stopped talking to me.</p>
<p>Certainly, they no longer found my conversation scintillating enough to flatter me or invite me to lunch.</p>
<p>This is fair enough, but I wish they had been direct about it.</p>
<p>Also, in my new roles I saw an alarming side of PR. For example, one firm tricked journalists by having a pretend freelancer ask a particular question at a press conference. The executives had been briefed as to how they should respond, and their fake concern convinced the journalists they had a hot story. Instead it was just a clever marketing operation.</p>
<p>There was also a case where a PR firm successfully undermined a journalist whose coverage of their client was a bit too accurate. They didn&#039;t complain to his editor. They just arranged for the client MD to casually bump into the editor and publisher at a function, and casually mention some false allegations that reflected badly on the journalist. </p>
<p>That affected the editor&#039;s trust in the journalist, and led to him leaving the publication a few months afterwards. Mission accomplished.<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Simon Sharwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Sharwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 08:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am often asked at the end of chats with PR people if &quot;there is &lt;b&gt;anything&lt;/b&gt; else&quot; they can do for me.
Sometimes I look over at the big pile of unfolded, unironed laundry in the study and think to myself &quot;would they? ...&quot;</description>
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Sometimes I look over at the big pile of unfolded, unironed laundry in the study and think to myself &#034;would they? &#8230;&#034;<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Pettet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Pettet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn!!  I always suspected I was at a disadvantage not being a &#039;hot chick&#039;.  I guess that just means us non-hot folk need to have a bit more substance behind us. 

&#039;Free&#039; keyboard = Buying favour

Loan keyboard = legitimate review

Free lunch = considerate

Free lunch followed by luxury night&#039;s accommodation for journo + spouse = suss

Attention from PR person = you&#039;re important

Rectal examination from PR person = ego play

PR person uses the phrase &#039;I need a favor&#039; (unless they need a hand moving a fridge) - they&#039;re seriously taking the piss and your bullshit detector is defective. 

Scott</description>
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<p>&#039;Free&#039; keyboard = Buying favour</p>
<p>Loan keyboard = legitimate review</p>
<p>Free lunch = considerate</p>
<p>Free lunch followed by luxury night&#039;s accommodation for journo + spouse = suss</p>
<p>Attention from PR person = you&#039;re important</p>
<p>Rectal examination from PR person = ego play</p>
<p>PR person uses the phrase &#039;I need a favor&#039; (unless they need a hand moving a fridge) &#8211; they&#039;re seriously taking the piss and your bullshit detector is defective. </p>
<p>Scott<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Rob Irwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Irwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 02:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s such a shame when people with such strong opinions won&#039;t put a name to them. After all, if the comments are the truth -- or at least the truth as that person perceives it -- what&#039;s the problem with putting a name to them?</description>
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		<title>By: danwarne</title>
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		<dc:creator>danwarne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 02:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A colleague emailed me these thoughts but didn&#039;t want to post a comment in his name. However I don&#039;t think he&#039;d mind me sharing them anonymously...

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Read your stuff on the PR industry - very good mate, very entertaining.

I think the reason I liked it so much was because years and years ago, when I was young and getting into commenting on tech:

- I thought that the hot chick PR people actually thought I was an interesting person who was fun to hang out with!!

- the free keyboard was just a nice gesture

- lunch was provided because I was probably hungry

- the attention from PR was because I was an important person with important opinions

- a heartfelt &#039;I need a favour&#039; was from a good friend who needed a knight in shining armour and it was only me who could save the day

Your piece highlights what took years for me to learn. I am glad it is on the web for all to read, especially those who are new to the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->A colleague emailed me these thoughts but didn&#039;t want to post a comment in his name. However I don&#039;t think he&#039;d mind me sharing them anonymously&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Read your stuff on the PR industry &#8211; very good mate, very entertaining.</p>
<p>I think the reason I liked it so much was because years and years ago, when I was young and getting into commenting on tech:</p>
<p>- I thought that the hot chick PR people actually thought I was an interesting person who was fun to hang out with!!</p>
<p>- the free keyboard was just a nice gesture</p>
<p>- lunch was provided because I was probably hungry</p>
<p>- the attention from PR was because I was an important person with important opinions</p>
<p>- a heartfelt &#039;I need a favour&#039; was from a good friend who needed a knight in shining armour and it was only me who could save the day</p>
<p>Your piece highlights what took years for me to learn. I am glad it is on the web for all to read, especially those who are new to the industry.<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Linda Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 02:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œThank God for the model trains, you know? If they didn&#039;t have the model trains they wouldn&#039;t have gotten the idea for the big trains.â€ 
Amber Cole, eastern European escapee and PR agent.
A Mighty Wind, 2003</description>
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Amber Cole, eastern European escapee and PR agent.<br />
A Mighty Wind, 2003<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post Dan. And something I talk about often with my partner - who is in PR.



Now - perhaps because I&#039;ve been neck deep in science these last months - it seems to me some insight in this issue could be found in game theory.

The relationship between journalist and PR can be expressed as two agents seeking to maximise their outcome (good story for the journo; good exposure for the PR) in a non-zero sum game where they can either cooperate (communicate honestly) or betray (communicate dishonestly or not communicate at all).

You punch this in to something like the prisoner&#039;s dilemma matrix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma) and I reckon you&#039;d see something startlingly like what Dan describes.

There&#039;d be roughly four outcomes. 

1)  Journo and PR cooperate and speak honestly - both gain a reasonable amount - the journo gets a decent story, the PR&#039;s client gets some moderate exposure.

2) PR hypes things up, buys drinks and/or flies the journo to Disneyland (the &#039;carrot) - maybe even with the threat of not speaking to the journo as a &#039;stick&#039;. The PR &#039;buys&#039; themselves a great story, but the journo suffers because they&#039;ve fallen for an overhyped product/story that isn&#039;t as interesting to their audience as it should have been.

3) Journo unleashes on the PR, writes a crippling criticism of their client&#039;s product and wins points with their audience at the expense of relationship with the company.

4) Both journo and PR don&#039;t speak, so journo doesn&#039;t get valuable material for their audience, and PR doesn&#039;t get exposure.

Ultimately, in this model, it wouldn&#039;t be surprising to see an equilibrium form (a Nash equilibrium, a la Beautiful Mind guy, just to get even more geeky) where things would oscillate between all four outcomes - eventually settling in most players cooperating (1), with the occasional defection (2, 3) leading to total defection (4), then to recognition that&#039;s not ideal, so swinging back to cooperation.

And the kicker is this: it&#039;s just rants like Dan&#039;s that are expected in this model. They help kick things to the next phase. You need vocal players on each side driving their agenda to push the model into equilibrium.

Hey, no one side may ever &#039;win&#039;, but ultimately things will settle down for the long term good of all.

This is just one model, but it seems to have vague fitness to me...



So yeah - fight the power Dan. You&#039;re doing a bang up job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->Interesting post Dan. And something I talk about often with my partner &#8211; who is in PR.</p>
<p>Now &#8211; perhaps because I&#039;ve been neck deep in science these last months &#8211; it seems to me some insight in this issue could be found in game theory.</p>
<p>The relationship between journalist and PR can be expressed as two agents seeking to maximise their outcome (good story for the journo; good exposure for the PR) in a non-zero sum game where they can either cooperate (communicate honestly) or betray (communicate dishonestly or not communicate at all).</p>
<p>You punch this in to something like the prisoner&#039;s dilemma matrix (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma</a>) and I reckon you&#039;d see something startlingly like what Dan describes.</p>
<p>There&#039;d be roughly four outcomes. </p>
<p>1)  Journo and PR cooperate and speak honestly &#8211; both gain a reasonable amount &#8211; the journo gets a decent story, the PR&#039;s client gets some moderate exposure.</p>
<p>2) PR hypes things up, buys drinks and/or flies the journo to Disneyland (the &#039;carrot) &#8211; maybe even with the threat of not speaking to the journo as a &#039;stick&#039;. The PR &#039;buys&#039; themselves a great story, but the journo suffers because they&#039;ve fallen for an overhyped product/story that isn&#039;t as interesting to their audience as it should have been.</p>
<p>3) Journo unleashes on the PR, writes a crippling criticism of their client&#039;s product and wins points with their audience at the expense of relationship with the company.</p>
<p>4) Both journo and PR don&#039;t speak, so journo doesn&#039;t get valuable material for their audience, and PR doesn&#039;t get exposure.</p>
<p>Ultimately, in this model, it wouldn&#039;t be surprising to see an equilibrium form (a Nash equilibrium, a la Beautiful Mind guy, just to get even more geeky) where things would oscillate between all four outcomes &#8211; eventually settling in most players cooperating (1), with the occasional defection (2, 3) leading to total defection (4), then to recognition that&#039;s not ideal, so swinging back to cooperation.</p>
<p>And the kicker is this: it&#039;s just rants like Dan&#039;s that are expected in this model. They help kick things to the next phase. You need vocal players on each side driving their agenda to push the model into equilibrium.</p>
<p>Hey, no one side may ever &#039;win&#039;, but ultimately things will settle down for the long term good of all.</p>
<p>This is just one model, but it seems to have vague fitness to me&#8230;</p>
<p>So yeah &#8211; fight the power Dan. You&#039;re doing a bang up job.<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Simon Sharwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Sharwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, I understand that PR is part of the great and necessary commercial courtship between vendors and the public.
But what I do not understand about PR is how and why it so often descends into duplicity or dumbness.
For example, I often get told that products are &#039;very easy to use&#039; as if that is news. Now it would be news if someone made a product very hard to use. But the mealy-mouthed stuff served up in the hope of scoring some coverage is often pap of the highest order.
I found it demeaning to be told to serve it up by clients, because it demeans the media as well as the PR!</description>
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But what I do not understand about PR is how and why it so often descends into duplicity or dumbness.<br />
For example, I often get told that products are &#039;very easy to use&#039; as if that is news. Now it would be news if someone made a product very hard to use. But the mealy-mouthed stuff served up in the hope of scoring some coverage is often pap of the highest order.<br />
I found it demeaning to be told to serve it up by clients, because it demeans the media as well as the PR!<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: danwarne</title>
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		<dc:creator>danwarne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting point Scott, and nice to hear the other side of it. 

Perhaps we should all be less suspicious of each others&#039; motives ;-)</description>
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<p>Perhaps we should all be less suspicious of each others&#039; motives ;-)<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Rob Irwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Irwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. As Mahesh has already said, &quot;What&#039;s the point of all this?&quot; and I guess I was thinking there was more of an assertion there, myself. Now I&#039;m getting what you mean -- and more power to you for that. I think this CAN be a very weird industry at times, and folks might enjoy the insight. I guess as someone who&#039;s been kicking around for awhile himself, I was trying to look beyond the &quot;stuff I already knew&quot; for something more. For others, I can just imagine them all shaking their heads as they read what you wrote... something I&#039;ve seen so many times when people have asked, &quot;Where have you been?&quot; and I&#039;ve had to explain getting flown to the US or Japan or similar, getting wined and dined and ending up at some bizarre underground club at 3am... all on someone else&#039;s tab. This isn&#039;t a normal lifestyle and it kind of scares me that some in our industry act like it is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->Indeed. As Mahesh has already said, &#034;What&#039;s the point of all this?&#034; and I guess I was thinking there was more of an assertion there, myself. Now I&#039;m getting what you mean &#8212; and more power to you for that. I think this CAN be a very weird industry at times, and folks might enjoy the insight. I guess as someone who&#039;s been kicking around for awhile himself, I was trying to look beyond the &#034;stuff I already knew&#034; for something more. For others, I can just imagine them all shaking their heads as they read what you wrote&#8230; something I&#039;ve seen so many times when people have asked, &#034;Where have you been?&#034; and I&#039;ve had to explain getting flown to the US or Japan or similar, getting wined and dined and ending up at some bizarre underground club at 3am&#8230; all on someone else&#039;s tab. This isn&#039;t a normal lifestyle and it kind of scares me that some in our industry act like it is&#8230;<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Pettet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Pettet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post Dan.  Having only worked on the PR side of the fence, I can only imagine the carry-on.  I do find it quite fascinating however!

It&#039;s unfortunate too from my side, as from time to time you might meet a journo and think they&#039;re someone you could have a genuine friendship with, but find yourself &#039;stepping back&#039; (as you put it) as you don&#039;t want them to question your motives. 

We humans are curious creatures :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->Interesting post Dan.  Having only worked on the PR side of the fence, I can only imagine the carry-on.  I do find it quite fascinating however!</p>
<p>It&#039;s unfortunate too from my side, as from time to time you might meet a journo and think they&#039;re someone you could have a genuine friendship with, but find yourself &#039;stepping back&#039; (as you put it) as you don&#039;t want them to question your motives. </p>
<p>We humans are curious creatures :-)<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: danwarne</title>
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		<dc:creator>danwarne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re still misunderstanding my intentions though Rob... I wasn&#039;t criticising the PR/media engagement, just writing about how it is. 

I suppose it&#039;s an unusual thing just to do a &#039;brain dump&#039; -- usually people expect there to be an assertion behind a piece like this. But that wasn&#039;t my intention -- it was simply a post about what it&#039;s like engaging with PR -- mainly for people who wouldn&#039;t have insight into the media (though it appears to have been of interest to people in the media too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->I think you&#039;re still misunderstanding my intentions though Rob&#8230; I wasn&#039;t criticising the PR/media engagement, just writing about how it is. </p>
<p>I suppose it&#039;s an unusual thing just to do a &#039;brain dump&#039; &#8212; usually people expect there to be an assertion behind a piece like this. But that wasn&#039;t my intention &#8212; it was simply a post about what it&#039;s like engaging with PR &#8212; mainly for people who wouldn&#039;t have insight into the media (though it appears to have been of interest to people in the media too.)<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Rob Irwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Irwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I&#039;ve sat by you at pressers and I know exactly how you feel, mate. You wear your heart on your sleeve, yes. But if you take that line to its logical conclusion, you&#039;d have companies not advertising, not putting out press releases, not holding events... basically not telling anyone, anything, anywhere. The marketing of a product -- whether you like the product in question or think it&#039;s a load of cobblers -- is an essential part of that product&#039;s make-up and lifespan. And PR is part of that marketing effort. So although it might not float your boat and, of course, I share your heartache when the millionth marketing manager gives yet another non-answer at a press conference, at its core there&#039;s a reason for doing it... and I think the real problem is that not as many companies get it right as we&#039;d like; whether through their internal people, or externally through agencies. I think there&#039;s a lot to be said for people who DO get it right. It IS possible :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->Oh I&#039;ve sat by you at pressers and I know exactly how you feel, mate. You wear your heart on your sleeve, yes. But if you take that line to its logical conclusion, you&#039;d have companies not advertising, not putting out press releases, not holding events&#8230; basically not telling anyone, anything, anywhere. The marketing of a product &#8212; whether you like the product in question or think it&#039;s a load of cobblers &#8212; is an essential part of that product&#039;s make-up and lifespan. And PR is part of that marketing effort. So although it might not float your boat and, of course, I share your heartache when the millionth marketing manager gives yet another non-answer at a press conference, at its core there&#039;s a reason for doing it&#8230; and I think the real problem is that not as many companies get it right as we&#039;d like; whether through their internal people, or externally through agencies. I think there&#039;s a lot to be said for people who DO get it right. It IS possible :)<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
		<link>http://danwarne.com/the-pr-industry-meets-journalism-down-the-rabbit-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-32049</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The yardstick of ethics at work should always be &quot;if this was reported in the press, how would the company look?&quot;.

How would most PR people look in this light?

Dan, as a fellow tech journalist I heartily agree with the sentiments you have expressed in this article. I recommend any journalist to read the book &quot;Inside Spin: The Dark Underbelly of the Australian PR Industry&quot; to get some insight into how some tech PR companies (eg Hill &amp; Knowlton, PPR) really work.

Cheers,

Thinker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->The yardstick of ethics at work should always be &#034;if this was reported in the press, how would the company look?&#034;.</p>
<p>How would most PR people look in this light?</p>
<p>Dan, as a fellow tech journalist I heartily agree with the sentiments you have expressed in this article. I recommend any journalist to read the book &#034;Inside Spin: The Dark Underbelly of the Australian PR Industry&#034; to get some insight into how some tech PR companies (eg Hill &amp; Knowlton, PPR) really work.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Sharwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Sharwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, I think PR is a vulgar industry. That&#039;s why I left it.
To me, PR exists to persuade people to consider ideas that are not sufficiently powerful that media will naturally consider them.
It&#039;s like Coca-Cola, a product so mediocre that it only stays afloat thanks to astounding amounts of advertising.
I have long believed that media should fight back against this by PR by making PR interactions transparent - if readers know how things come to be in the media it is better for them and better for media!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->Rob, I think PR is a vulgar industry. That&#039;s why I left it.<br />
To me, PR exists to persuade people to consider ideas that are not sufficiently powerful that media will naturally consider them.<br />
It&#039;s like Coca-Cola, a product so mediocre that it only stays afloat thanks to astounding amounts of advertising.<br />
I have long believed that media should fight back against this by PR by making PR interactions transparent &#8211; if readers know how things come to be in the media it is better for them and better for media!<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Rob Irwin</title>
		<link>http://danwarne.com/the-pr-industry-meets-journalism-down-the-rabbit-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-32047</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Irwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but you paint such a vulgar picture of the industry as a whole, that the little, &quot;Oh, but there are some OK ones, too...&quot; tucked away at the end of the piece doesn&#039;t really offset, to my mind, the massive offensive you&#039;ve laid in the first 40-odd pars. That&#039;s more what I&#039;m getting at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->Yes, but you paint such a vulgar picture of the industry as a whole, that the little, &#034;Oh, but there are some OK ones, too&#8230;&#034; tucked away at the end of the piece doesn&#039;t really offset, to my mind, the massive offensive you&#039;ve laid in the first 40-odd pars. That&#039;s more what I&#039;m getting at.<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: danwarne</title>
		<link>http://danwarne.com/the-pr-industry-meets-journalism-down-the-rabbit-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-32046</link>
		<dc:creator>danwarne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rob... if you read to the end of the article I do actually say that not all PRs are like this. And I also say in the article that I enjoy the free trips as much as the next guy... they don&#039;t cause me angst; I just thought it would be an interesting blog post to write about the engagement, largely cloaked from the public, between PR and the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->Hey Rob&#8230; if you read to the end of the article I do actually say that not all PRs are like this. And I also say in the article that I enjoy the free trips as much as the next guy&#8230; they don&#039;t cause me angst; I just thought it would be an interesting blog post to write about the engagement, largely cloaked from the public, between PR and the media.<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Rob Irwin</title>
		<link>http://danwarne.com/the-pr-industry-meets-journalism-down-the-rabbit-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-32045</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Irwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, you make it sound like every PR bod is like this and you know, as well as I do, that&#039;s a porky pie :) Yes, there are some stunningly sycophantic types out there, who seem to have learned all their moves and expressions from bad 80s movies, I totally agree, but there are also a goodly number who are straight operators, too. As for the o/s trips, freebies, etc, if they cause such angst... don&#039;t take &#039;em ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->Dan, you make it sound like every PR bod is like this and you know, as well as I do, that&#039;s a porky pie :) Yes, there are some stunningly sycophantic types out there, who seem to have learned all their moves and expressions from bad 80s movies, I totally agree, but there are also a goodly number who are straight operators, too. As for the o/s trips, freebies, etc, if they cause such angst&#8230; don&#039;t take &#039;em ;-)<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: chrisr</title>
		<link>http://danwarne.com/the-pr-industry-meets-journalism-down-the-rabbit-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-32044</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

Perhaps you should have a register on your publications listing all travel and long term loans etc supplied by vendors with an aprox cash cost, that could also be sorted by company total spend?

Perhaps that would bring some transparency and you could lead by example?

Also I doubt the PR&#039;s you are seeing probably earn as much as you think if they are at the bus stop with you :)

Well charge out rates are high, the people at the top are the ones making the margins.

I am sure the average PR makes more than the average journo but to be honest that doesn&#039;t say that much...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->Dan,</p>
<p>Perhaps you should have a register on your publications listing all travel and long term loans etc supplied by vendors with an aprox cash cost, that could also be sorted by company total spend?</p>
<p>Perhaps that would bring some transparency and you could lead by example?</p>
<p>Also I doubt the PR&#039;s you are seeing probably earn as much as you think if they are at the bus stop with you :)</p>
<p>Well charge out rates are high, the people at the top are the ones making the margins.</p>
<p>I am sure the average PR makes more than the average journo but to be honest that doesn&#039;t say that much&#8230;<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: danwarne</title>
		<link>http://danwarne.com/the-pr-industry-meets-journalism-down-the-rabbit-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-32043</link>
		<dc:creator>danwarne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Star&quot; -- nice baiting attempt, especially the &quot;rbruem@telstra.com&quot; email address you used -- may have been more effective if you&#039;d actually researched the naming syntax Telstra uses for email addresses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->&#034;Star&#034; &#8212; nice baiting attempt, especially the &#034;rbruem@telstra.com&#034; email address you used &#8212; may have been more effective if you&#039;d actually researched the naming syntax Telstra uses for email addresses.<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Star</title>
		<link>http://danwarne.com/the-pr-industry-meets-journalism-down-the-rabbit-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-32042</link>
		<dc:creator>Star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don&#039;t think anyone has written an article such as this before.&quot;

John,  I think you&#039;re right.

I think what we have witnessed on this webpage may be one of most insightful pieces on the modern media landscape to have been written this century.

Indeed, I don&#039;t think it&#039;d be going too far to say it  challenges the very foundations of society as we know them.

I&#039;m going to run off now to have it framed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->&#034;I don&#039;t think anyone has written an article such as this before.&#034;</p>
<p>John,  I think you&#039;re right.</p>
<p>I think what we have witnessed on this webpage may be one of most insightful pieces on the modern media landscape to have been written this century.</p>
<p>Indeed, I don&#039;t think it&#039;d be going too far to say it  challenges the very foundations of society as we know them.</p>
<p>I&#039;m going to run off now to have it framed.<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: John Le Fevre</title>
		<link>http://danwarne.com/the-pr-industry-meets-journalism-down-the-rabbit-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-32041</link>
		<dc:creator>John Le Fevre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 05:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I landed on your website while researching an article and was drawn to the rabbit hole comment. I was one of the start-up journalists for Computing Australia back in the mid 80&#039;s. 

I then went on and ran my own PR firm servicing Australian IT companies for 10 years and wrote for several Mac publications in a variety of roles, including as a reviewer, before moving on to other things.

I don&#039;t think anyone has written an article such as this before. It should serve as a wake up to the PR/advertising industries and the readers.

Having been in the position of organising product reviews and flying journalists off on international trips, as well as being the recipient of same, I&#039;ve seen the industry from both sides.

What you write is so true it&#039;s not funny. In fact, the actions of some PROs go well beyond what you&#039;ve written.

When I was a working journalist on IT press the agreement with the PROs was always that I was happy to accept their offfer of a trip or product to review, but there was no guarantee they would find the subsequent story pleasing. 

I used the same yard-stick when I was the one organising the trip or supplying the product. This was also what was relayed to the client. My job was to contact the media, build their interest and try and get them to attend a certain event. 

It was up to the client to make the product or story stand and bugging an overworked journalist in an attempt to pressure them into a favorable story or review just had the wrong effect.

These days the clients seem to have unrealistic expectations of what their PROs can achieve. Despite a strong tradition to the contrary, many clients also fail to comprehend that a freebie doesn&#039;t buy anymore than that journalists time for the duration of the event. It doesn&#039;t buy favorable editorial comment or support.

My PR firm was successful because it applied the same ethics to our PR approach with journalists that the journalists themselves applied to their job.

The problem is that whereas in the past a majority of PROs moved from journalism into the PRO role and took the ethics they were trained in into the new role, the majority of PROs have learned their skills from textbooks and have no comprehension of the ethics journalists follow or adhere to.

Your comment, &quot;they enjoy socialising with the hot chicks who make them feel loved.&quot; hits the nail on the head. These days many firms think it all it takes is a hot chick in a short skirt with an alluring smile and flirty personality to garner positive press.

Unfortunately, the ploy works on some. All journalists are subjected to it at some time or another. Only the really good ones are the ones who don&#039;t forget their role and surrender their credibility.

Most of the people I worked with from the 80&#039;s and 90&#039;s are out of the industry now from what I can gather. But people like Helen Meredith, Bev Head, Jay Spencer, David Hutchens Osmund Linde-Iverson, Don Kennedy and Stephen Withers, to name just a few, were all outstanding technology journalists who were happy to have a drink, take a trip or accept a product for review but promised nothing in return apart from the truth and the facts.

Your article should be a compulsory handout by PROs to their clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->I landed on your website while researching an article and was drawn to the rabbit hole comment. I was one of the start-up journalists for Computing Australia back in the mid 80&#039;s. </p>
<p>I then went on and ran my own PR firm servicing Australian IT companies for 10 years and wrote for several Mac publications in a variety of roles, including as a reviewer, before moving on to other things.</p>
<p>I don&#039;t think anyone has written an article such as this before. It should serve as a wake up to the PR/advertising industries and the readers.</p>
<p>Having been in the position of organising product reviews and flying journalists off on international trips, as well as being the recipient of same, I&#039;ve seen the industry from both sides.</p>
<p>What you write is so true it&#039;s not funny. In fact, the actions of some PROs go well beyond what you&#039;ve written.</p>
<p>When I was a working journalist on IT press the agreement with the PROs was always that I was happy to accept their offfer of a trip or product to review, but there was no guarantee they would find the subsequent story pleasing. </p>
<p>I used the same yard-stick when I was the one organising the trip or supplying the product. This was also what was relayed to the client. My job was to contact the media, build their interest and try and get them to attend a certain event. </p>
<p>It was up to the client to make the product or story stand and bugging an overworked journalist in an attempt to pressure them into a favorable story or review just had the wrong effect.</p>
<p>These days the clients seem to have unrealistic expectations of what their PROs can achieve. Despite a strong tradition to the contrary, many clients also fail to comprehend that a freebie doesn&#039;t buy anymore than that journalists time for the duration of the event. It doesn&#039;t buy favorable editorial comment or support.</p>
<p>My PR firm was successful because it applied the same ethics to our PR approach with journalists that the journalists themselves applied to their job.</p>
<p>The problem is that whereas in the past a majority of PROs moved from journalism into the PRO role and took the ethics they were trained in into the new role, the majority of PROs have learned their skills from textbooks and have no comprehension of the ethics journalists follow or adhere to.</p>
<p>Your comment, &#034;they enjoy socialising with the hot chicks who make them feel loved.&#034; hits the nail on the head. These days many firms think it all it takes is a hot chick in a short skirt with an alluring smile and flirty personality to garner positive press.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the ploy works on some. All journalists are subjected to it at some time or another. Only the really good ones are the ones who don&#039;t forget their role and surrender their credibility.</p>
<p>Most of the people I worked with from the 80&#039;s and 90&#039;s are out of the industry now from what I can gather. But people like Helen Meredith, Bev Head, Jay Spencer, David Hutchens Osmund Linde-Iverson, Don Kennedy and Stephen Withers, to name just a few, were all outstanding technology journalists who were happy to have a drink, take a trip or accept a product for review but promised nothing in return apart from the truth and the facts.</p>
<p>Your article should be a compulsory handout by PROs to their clients.<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Star</title>
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		<dc:creator>Star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 07:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sometimes when I stand at the bus stop in Druitt St, Sydney, I look at the crowd of often very well dressed people around me and can&#039;t help wondering what proportion of them are PRs.&quot;

I hereby certify you with obsession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->&#034;Sometimes when I stand at the bus stop in Druitt St, Sydney, I look at the crowd of often very well dressed people around me and can&#039;t help wondering what proportion of them are PRs.&#034;</p>
<p>I hereby certify you with obsession.<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Mahesh</title>
		<link>http://danwarne.com/the-pr-industry-meets-journalism-down-the-rabbit-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-32039</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fair enough.. guess i didn&#039;t have to read it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->fair enough.. guess i didn&#039;t have to read it..<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://danwarne.com/the-pr-industry-meets-journalism-down-the-rabbit-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-32038</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insightful post, Dan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->Insightful post, Dan.<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: danwarne</title>
		<link>http://danwarne.com/the-pr-industry-meets-journalism-down-the-rabbit-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-32037</link>
		<dc:creator>danwarne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s my personal blog Mahesh, I don&#039;t need a point. 

And thanks Pru :-)</description>
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<p>And thanks Pru :-)<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Pru Quinlan</title>
		<link>http://danwarne.com/the-pr-industry-meets-journalism-down-the-rabbit-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-32036</link>
		<dc:creator>Pru Quinlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 06:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, love it.  Your post should be compulsory reading for all new PR consultants as a bare minimum and (unfortunately) also for some agency heads who insist on making their juniors swarm over journos.    

I&#039;ve always believed as a PR professional I should treat a journalist as I would wish to be treated myself and quite frankly if I faced the sort of interactions you encounter daily I&#039;d go spare.  

Fight the good fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><!--Amazon_CLS_IM_START-->Dan, love it.  Your post should be compulsory reading for all new PR consultants as a bare minimum and (unfortunately) also for some agency heads who insist on making their juniors swarm over journos.    </p>
<p>I&#039;ve always believed as a PR professional I should treat a journalist as I would wish to be treated myself and quite frankly if I faced the sort of interactions you encounter daily I&#039;d go spare.  </p>
<p>Fight the good fight.<!--Amazon_CLS_IM_END--><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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